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WCIT Plenary "vote" on Internet resolution
>> CHAIR: ...
We go now to the primary draft resolution to foster an enabling environment for the greater growth of the Internet. This resolution has been also part of the long discussion and the -- with the Regional groups and this was part of the compromise text that was put forward to you but the meeting was carefully written. It was -- we have taken it in the group, line-by-line, as a matter of fact as a matter of fact, Secretary-General read it line-by-line to the group, and it's put before you for consideration.
I'll proceed with the title. I see no objection. Recognizing A. I see no objection. Recognizing B. Thank you.
Recognizing C. Thank you.
>> EGYPT: Yes, we would like to suggest another text for D that reads the following: "Recognizing that the existing arrangements for Internet Governance have worked effectively to make the Internet the highly robust, dynamic and geographically diverse medium it is today, with the private sector taking the lead in day-to-day operation and with innovation and value creation at the edges."
This is paragraph 55 from the Tunis agenda. .
>> CHAIR: Bulgaria?
>> BULGARIA: Yeah, I was just going to suggest exactly the same text, Tunis A again da.
>> CHAIR: Thank you. Saudi Arabia, please.
>> SAUDI ARABIA: Thank you, Chairman. I would like to ask why this text is replacing the current text of D because D also refers to the Tunis Agenda. So why are we getting rid of that text and replacing it with other text? Could Egypt please clarify its proposal? Thank you. .
>> CHAIR: Egypt?
>> EGYPT: We can have both texts but we thought the other text was relevant to the subject.
>> CHAIR: Thank you. Is there any objection to include the Tunisian -- Egyptian proposed text as a new recognizing? Turkey, then Algeria turz turz the conference is wrong. Conference on international telecommunications thank you
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>> CHAIR: Thank you. Algeria?
>> ALGERIA: Thank you. Chairman, thank you. We are very grateful to Egypt for its proposal. In recognizing D, perhaps we should save a little bit of ink and say in paragraphs 35 and 55 of the Tunis agenda. If we do that, then we don't have to replace the text of the Tunis agenda in extent so. Thank you.
>> CHAIR: Thank you. We'll add paragraph 35 and 55 of the Tunis agenda if there is no objection.
I see no objection to that. Saudi Arabia?
>> SAUDI ARABIA: Thank you, Chairman.
We are also suggesting an addition. What is in the Tunis agenda, that being all governments should have an equal role and responsibility for international Internet Governance and ensuring the stability, security and continuity of the existing Internet. We also recognize the need for the development of public policy by governments in consultation with all stakeholders. The text I'm suggesting respects the letter of what was adopted at the summit. Thank you.
>> CHAIR: Thank you. It is an E, which we'll come to you, exactly the text.
>> CANADA: Yes, thank you very much, Chairman.
Chairman, we have heard the Secretary-General remark or make remarks just recently with respect to the importance of broadband and the broadband agenda that has been now extensively discussed in ITU.
What we'd like to suggest, Chairman, is that in this particular paragraph, that we make specific reference to the evolution function and development of high-speed broadband services. I think that would be a more appropriate reference instead of limiting it to Internet and in fact we would suggest that in the title itself, we refer to high speed broadband connectivity in lieu of the sensitivity of course with respect to references to the Internet.
So again the work associated with the broadband commission that the Secretary-General has been extensively involved in, we would think that kind of work should be referenced in this resolution. So that would be our suggestion, Chairman. That we make reference to high speed broadband connectivity as well as the evolution functioning and development of high speed broadband services in this particular paragraph. Thank you.
>> CHAIR: Thank you. We have dealt with this issue in details. I will really be reluctant to start changing and removing titles. If we can go along what was proposed now by Egypt. Is there any objection to add 55, and 55 of Tunis agenda and proceed with D? Sweden?
>> SWEDEN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
We have no problem to adding 55 from the Tunis agenda proposed by Egypt; however, we would also like to support the proposal by Canada to change the title of the draft new resolution. Thank you.
>> CHAIR: I have moved from the title of the draft resolution. I have started this by saying this was part of the compromised text that was discussed at length. I really need the help by all Member States to proceed in the removal of this resolution. Thank you. Uganda, briefly. Ewing Ewing
This is improving the resolution and we would support Canada's resolution.
>> CHAIR: Saudi Arabia?
>> SAUDI ARABIA: Thank you, Chairman. As far as the proposal to add paragraph 55 is concerned, there are I think a few parthat emerged from the summit which are equally important as paragraph 55 so we'd like to add one or two others as well. However, instead of doing so, perhaps we should proceed slightly differently and not add paragraph 55 and leave the text of the resolution as proposed. Thank you.
>> CHAIR: United States?
>> UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Chairman, we are -- we have a number of outstanding issues we need to address within the context of the ITRs and you still need to return to 55A and 55B and also to the issue of public correspondence. So there are a number of outstanding issues left with respect to the ITRs that significantly will determine the nature of what the ITRs may be. Many colleagues are reviewing the ITRs in light of those remaining issues. In addition we are concerned about this resolution because it begins to be -- it is a resolution about the Internet. We have rightly done resolutions at the plenipotentiary 101, 102, 133, which are going to be the subject of the world telecommunications policy forum, and we will have the WSIS review coming up in 2014 and 2015. Now, Mr. Chairman, we are concerned that this document as currently drafted is inadequate to deal with those significant issues that will be coming up in those future fora. It would be our preference, Mr. Chairman, not to have this resolution but rather to focus our efforts on the world telecommunications policy forum and on the WSIS review. Many colleagues in this room were participants in the WSIS process and they are dear colleagues and we have spent three years together than process.
But I recall very well as we would debate these paragraphs, that there are many issues that still will need to be debated. This now at 1:00 this is not the time to do that. My did dear colleague from Saudi Arabia wishes to not include paragraph 55. He probably anticipates that I will insist on paragraph 55 being included and he will be absolutely correct.
Mr. Chairman, rather than go back and forth on these issues, rather than raise the issues of the Internet once again, let us deal with these issues where they should be dealt with in the appropriate time and preparatory process and that time is at the world telecommunications center policy forum during the WSIS review and during the mren any Poe 10 surery in Busan, Korea. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
>> CHAIR: Thank you, United States. I'm so surprised to hear this while yesterday I thought we have reached a consensus where United States agreed to remove text related to Internet from the body of the ITR and put it in a resolution and the Secretary-General went through that line-by-line. And I think I'm going to stop this discussion at this moment because we are not moving forward. My worry is this entire compromise we had is now at risk. I repeatedly said that over and over again I've been trying as hard as I can to take this conference to a safe side and conclusion and I really hope you guys help me with this. Algeria and then Finland and I'll close the discussion and debate. I think we need to -- I don't see a point of discussing it. It is 1:00 now in the morning and the Delegations All Delegations Deserve rest. I'll give the floor to Algeria, please, briefly, one minute and then take Finland and then delay the discussion on this resolution.
>> ALGERIA: Thank you for having given me the floor, Mr. Chairman. Subsequent to two of the intervention of the Distinguished Delegate of Egypt, I had suggested the addition of paragraph 55. I now withdraw my proposal out of respect for those who have drafted this resolution. I would encourage all of us to adopt the text as it appears here and with no modifications.
>> CHAIR: Thank you. Finland?
>> FINLAND: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have followed Secretary-General Dr. Toure's wise advice and agreed the ITRs don't tackle Internance Governance. We think it is only logical that if the treaty is not about Internet Governance the attachments are not about Internet Governance either.
The reason for that is that we are dealing with the highly political and sensitive issue which does not fit in the context of a treaty which is of technical nature.
As you pointed out, Mr. Chairman, we also have a problem of time limitations. It is clear that the proposal would lead to extensive negotiations. Personally I would love to spend the cold Finnish winter here in Dubai but we are running out of time. So we suggest we follow the same method we did with the previous proposal from the United States. If the resolution does not enjoy the consent of all Delegations We will suppress it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
>> CHAIR: I have closed the discussion. Please take the request. I'm going to the Preamble, document DT51, corrigendum 2. I open the Preamble.
>> I simply wanted to, before you temporarily close this document I simply while the idea is still fresh in the con saint efforts. I made sure in negotiating another Article that was to be put in the body of the resolution, of the ITRs. Concerning the Internet. This resolution is a basis of that compromise. You know? So if we were to eliminate this, that was a compromise that will come on the table.
That is the risk we are running and at this late hour we don't want to put that back on the table. Please, if we can add a few references of broadband on this text, and make it work, this current text doesn't harm anyone. All the things that are in there were things that are already existing in different texts, in different documents that were approved by our bodies in any case.
And I beg you not to say that -- not to think that we cannot even pronounce the name Internet in this meeting. We do. In ITU we can pronounce the name "Internet" because we are working and Internet is running on telecommunication platforms. It's not taboo to pronounce that. The two words needs to work together. This is very clear. It's not a crime to talk about Internet inside the ITU. Just like inside the 0 bodies dealing with Internet they talk about telecommunications. Some of them are certain members of ITU and they are here in this room.
Therefore it should not be taboo. Let's not make it unnecessary or artificial fight between these two bodies that have been working together.
>> CHAIR: Yes!
>> Thank you.
>> CHAIR: We've been saying this thing in very good faith. There was nothing between the lines when we were drafting this document. I have been consistently saying what I have said already, back in the plenipotentiary conference in 2010 before being reelected and the membership trusted me. They reelected me. There is nothing wrong with this. Please, we are trying to build bridges so we work together so the consumers benefit better. Please, everybody, help us to continue to bridge that, build that bridge. We have been trying to built L build this. There is nothing wrong with it. Please.
So I will certainly recommend you, Mr. Chairman, that we go back
We add in the "Resolve" part, I can add in the resolve part, resolve 1, to continue to take the necessary step to ITU to take a active and consultative role, I will add there the development of broadband and
And continue the text in the multi-stakeholder model have the Internet as expressed in 35 of the Agenda to enrich it more so the broadband reference that was in the previous draft resolution that we have missed comes back here and it will enrich it. The future is broadband and the future is Internet and the future is Internet and broadband/Internet. And those are two societies that will continue to work together, one providing the platform, the other one providing the access and other things.
They are complementary. When you talk about information and information about without the carrier will not be reachable. And an empty carrier will not have information, that is nothing. So two will continue to work together. So please I just wanted you to keep that in mind and encourage us so we continue to build bridges and it really will work. Trust me. And somebody was saying I can't and we can. We can do that. Please.
>> CHAIR: Thank you, Secretary-General.
Can we continue approving the resolution? We have stopped at D. If you care to move the requests. Can I proceed with approving D?
Algeria, can you remove the requests? We are trying to approve the text. We have 15 minutes to go.
>> ALGERIA: Thank you, Chairman.
I simply rise to say that the Secretary-General has crossed the red line three times. He said the taboo word three times, a word which I dare not say myself. So we would of course support the entire resolution if that will allow you to gain some time.
>> CHAIR: Thank you. South Africa.
>> SOUTH AFRICA: We also support the whole resolution as put forth and as modified by the Secretary-General. In line with all the discussions that we have had on the package earlier on. He is right that if we dare remove these, we then have to go to our old issues that we raised as the African Group and the Arab group. So we really would plead for them, for the Plenary to recognize these issues, that they are part of the package deal for us to arrive at this whole package. This was the Assembly we put together to recognize. Thank you.
>> CHAIR: Thank you.
I want to take it from D, please. Can you take your requests for the floor. So we can proceed.
Is there any objection on D? After inclusion of 55? Cuba?
>> CUBA: Chairman, I just wanted to support the entire resolution as it stands. I believe that there has been consensus to support the resolution as a whole.
>> CHAIR: Thank you, Cuba. Can we approve the entire resolution now?
>> NIGERIA: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
We want to add our voice to the support of what the Secretary-General said. Actually if you look at the major business of telecommunication, it is to deliver services through open access. Which we believe Internet is one of those avenues. Which service is delivered by telecommunication. To be candid, we are always disappointed when the issue of Internet has been restricted here in ITU because these two, they go hand-in-hand. One cannot go without the other.
So we want to support the approval of the entire resolution with the addition of paragraph 55 of the Tunis Agenda. Thank you.
>> CHAIR: Thank you. United States?
>> UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Yes, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for your time.
I would like to say as head of the U.S. Delegation we appreciate the work you are doing to advance the conference. We think there is significant opportunities to advance the telecommunications opportunity; however, we do not believe the focus of this conference should be on the Internet and we did not come to this conference in anticipation of a discussion on the Internet. As my colleague Dick Baird mentions there are plenty of other fora for that, and we oppose this resolution.
>> CHAIR: Saudi Arabia?
>> SAUDI ARABIA: Thank you, Mr. Chairperson.
I have already requested the floor previously to express our non-acceptance to add paragraph 55 because adding paragraph 55 means opening the topic and introducing other paragraphs that have been approved in the outcomes of the international summit or the global summit.
To be brief, in order to accept middle ground solutions as Mr. Secretary-General has requested, we can accept this resolution as it is formulated and presented in document TD 51 Rev 1, and no harm in introducing the proposal made by the Secretary-General with regards to the broadband.
Thank you, Chairperson.
>> CHAIR: Thank you. Mexico?
>> MEXICO: Thank you, Chairman. One minor point. We would like in F 1 to invite Member States and reference is made to ITUT and ITU-D. I believe we should include ITU-R if we want to promote the mot it is extremely important we take into account spectrum issues which are very important. In a not very distant future we will have people asking for two gigabits per second, per square kilometer in our city and that will be impossible without appropriate spectrum. It would be very important, I believe, to include ITU-R in this paragraph.
>> CHAIR: Thank you. I have a very long list I just wanted to have the feel of the room on who will accept the draft resolution. If you can use the big board, please. To have the resolution included.
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>> CHAIR: I want the feel of the room, who is against this resolution.
Test test test test test test test test test thank you. You can lower your plate now. The majority is with having the resolution in.
Thank you. Now we can go to now we can go to corrigendum 2. That is the Preamble and the text which deals with the human rights obligations. And the preamble, the first part of the Preamble was agreed. The second part of the Preamble states that member >> CHAIR: Thank you. The majority agreed to adopt the resolution as amended.
>> CHAIR: Spain?
>> SPAIN: Thank you, Chairman.
As a point of order, I would like you to clarify whether the temperature you were taking was simply a taking of the temperature. Has it now been interpreted as a vote and had we known that it was a vote, we might very well have acted differently.
>> CHAIR: No, it was not a vote, and I was clear about it. Thank you, Spain. Cyprus.
>> CYPRUS: Excuse me. That is a mistake.
>> CHAIR: Thank you.
>> MEXICO: Yes, thank you, Chairman.
We, too, would like to determine whether the ITU-R has been included in the resolution. ITU-R as we have requested has been included in the resolution.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
>> CHAIR: Yes, we'll have an ITU study group so we will not get into these details. Thank you. Algeria?
>> ALGERIA: Mr. Chairman, I thought that we had settled the issue of the resolution and had moved to the Preamble.
>> CHAIR: I'm trying. Sweden?
>> SWEDEN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
We note that you have adopted this resolution and we to have go back to the transcripts to see how it was adopted, but we reserve the rights to come back with a statement for the minutes when we have looked at the discussion of the meeting. Thank you.
>> CHAIR: Definitely. Thank you.
>> SAUDI ARABIA: Thank you, Mr. Chairperson. We have understood that the resolution has been adopted with the amendments which have been proposed by the Secretary-General which has had support and the proposal made by Mexico because there have been no objections and thanks to the amendment that you have proposed which is to mention the study groups rather than to mention each unit within them.
But any amendment which has been refused, this should not be introduced into the resolution according to the way we have understood things. Thank you.
>> CHAIR: Finally Algeria and I will close the meeting. Algeria, you were asking for the floor?
>> ALGERIA: Have you solved the issue of the resolution, Mr. Chairman? I would like to speak to the Preamble. In view of the hour, and the importance of the subject, could we not perhaps postpone discussion of the Preamble to tomorrow?
>> CHAIR: This is what I was going to say. We have reached the end of the time. We will postpone the Preamble discussion until tomorrow morning at 9:30. Thank you, and have a good night.
(Session concluded at 1:31 AM)